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can somebody clear something up, i noticed people said happy birthday to k in february but in one of those freestyles he raps on that live footage, he says something about aries is my sign, that makes no sense
yeah Kevin's birthday IS in February 20th, 1972 which makes him PISCES....
I guess in his freestyle when he says, "Aries is my sign" he's sampling Q-tip's lyrics -(he's the Aries). Anyway the line is from "God Lives Through" from the MIDNIGHT MARAUDERS album. Also, when Q-tip says, "...always try to lead, yo never will I follow...." from "Lyrics To Go" (Midnight Marauders) he is revealing one of the Aries traits. Kevin also does have Aries aligned under Venus at the time of his birth and will express these traits during certain phases in his lifetime. Under the Moon he has Taurus, but under the Sun he is Pisces and this expression will be dominant as the sun is the most powerful planet in the universe. Just wanted to reply to this post 'cause it queried about the astrological mix-up - interest of mine...
Thanks to 'A Tribe Called Quest' for sending that melodic message to me in the chorus (peace out to Leah) from "Electric Relaxation" (Midnight Marauders) joke Doesn't it sound like Leah though? This song was playing when Kevin and I met in '94 at a jam session at York University in Toronto. Loooooong ago, but I still remember......
Including the LOW END THEORY, these two albums are among The absolute best creations.
What is your sign wayshouse? And anyone else interested??
I guess in his freestyle when he says, "Aries is my sign" he's sampling Q-tip's lyrics -(he's the Aries). Anyway the line is from "God Lives Through" from the MIDNIGHT MARAUDERS album. Also, when Q-tip says, "...always try to lead, yo never will I follow...." from "Lyrics To Go" (Midnight Marauders) he is revealing one of the Aries traits. Kevin also does have Aries aligned under Venus at the time of his birth and will express these traits during certain phases in his lifetime. Under the Moon he has Taurus, but under the Sun he is Pisces and this expression will be dominant as the sun is the most powerful planet in the universe. Just wanted to reply to this post 'cause it queried about the astrological mix-up - interest of mine...
Thanks to 'A Tribe Called Quest' for sending that melodic message to me in the chorus (peace out to Leah) from "Electric Relaxation" (Midnight Marauders) joke
Doesn't it sound like Leah though? This song was playing when Kevin and I met in '94 at a jam session at York University in Toronto. Loooooong ago, but I still remember......
Including the LOW END THEORY, these two albums are among The absolute best creations.
What is your sign wayshouse? And anyone else interested??
actually i am aries. you seem to know quite a lot on astrology, how can i find out all my different signs. The time you were born must play a part too, not just the month and year. Is there any books specifically or websites i could check out.
www.astro.com will give you your natal chart and personology summaries. yeah time of birth is asked for too, for rising sign accuracy but can approximate...
So, another Aries....cool. My sign, Pisces has lessons to learn from Aries according to the 2-12 Sun sign pattern. There are 6 other types of sun-sign patterns which denote different influences between the signs that connect in friendship, business, family or love relationships. (see pg.s 888 -896)
The book is written by an Aries author Linda Goodman. It is called, "LOVE SIGNS...A New Approach to The Human Heart". She explores the Twelve Mysteries of Love (due to there being 12 zodiac signs). What I also love and respect about her book is that she emphasizes that she distances herself from "the abuse and disuse of astrology for selfish purposes, and from those who abort and prostitute this ancient art and science for worldly gain - or even for dark and sinister purposes. (Hitler was one.)" page 899, 4th paragraph. There's also an impressive reading list at the back of this book, but I haven't choosen from it as yet... As to how you can find out which are all your different signs, I have a book that I have forgotten the name of because it is away in storage, but that book laid it all out so that you could find as three6t mentioned, your Rising Sign (first impression attributes), your Mercury sign (how you are in speech), Venus (how you are in love), Mars (how you are when angry) and Moon sign (what you feel on a deeper level) which are the more significant planets to know which signs were aligned under them at birth. Yes your time of birth is important for accuracy, but it can still be found by approximation without that info. You also need the country and city of birth. I will try to get the name of the book for you later...or at least another one that is similar.
For a quick, free profile you can go to [www.astrocenter.com] It includes the Rising sign and numerology and chinese zodiac sign.
Linda Goodman's first book is SUN SIGNS, where she goes more extensively into the characteristics of the twelve signs. The LOVE SIGNS book goes into this as well, yet it includes more of an interpretation and study of the complexities of the relationships between the signs. Hope you like it wayshouse!
Here's just a little something from the beginning of the book.....
"By learning to use the wisdom of the planets, our co-creators' code to Universal Truth, we may each create a fragment of the rainbow-spectrum message of Peace on Earth to men...and women...of Good Will, caroled by celestials above Bethlehem [over] two thousand years ago to usher in the Pisces Age of the gentle Nazerene, who asked us only to "love one another," promising that what he did, we could "then do also."
I did a research project once where I found out that Jesus was born in March, either on the 14th or the 16th, which makes him Pisces. This is according to the ancient scholars at the time who said that the star which led the wise men would have been apparent during that time of year, and after the mathematical calculations were done, they could narrow down the date (from what I recall it is the 16th.) In this western viewpoint Jesus is a Capricorn (Dec 25th), which is fine anyway 'cause I love Capricorn people. ha ha
When Linda Goodman wrote the above, it was circa, 1978 and now that we are here in 2004 (with all that has transpired since then,) my belief is that this applies today...we have arrived at the Aquarian Age or we are very near.... here is what she says....
"It is not too late [because] the angelic hosts (not yet identified) still rings its clarion call today...now ushering in the Aquarian Age...heralding hope to those who watch the skies and listen for the music. There could be no greater prelude to a miracle so needed, than to employ the art of ancient wise men to pave the way for his (Jesus) return with a new Star Quest for love...love of man for woman...and of both together then for every living planet and creature. For love alone has the power to bring peace at history's twilight hour to Earthlings of good will."
Admitedly Linda Goodman informs us at the beginning of her book, that it contains a number of controversial concepts of a moral, philosophical and intellectual nature in the areas of science and religion. She says too that she does not expect any of her readers to regard her concepts as their truth, unless these concepts should happen to agree with their own personal enlightenment and private convictions.
So wayshouse, guess I went beyond what you asked huh? sorry, I'm just so interested in it all....
Later xo
The book is written by an Aries
author Linda Goodman. It is called, "LOVE SIGNS...A New Approach to The Human Heart". She explores the Twelve Mysteries of Love (due to there being 12 zodiac signs). What I also love and respect about her book is that she emphasizes that she distances herself from "the abuse and disuse of astrology for selfish purposes, and from those who abort and prostitute this ancient art and science for worldly gain - or even for dark and sinister purposes. (Hitler was one.)" page 899, 4th paragraph. There's also an impressive reading list at the back of this book, but I haven't choosen from it as yet... As to how you can find out which are all your different signs, I have a book that I have forgotten the name of because it is away in storage, but that book laid it all out so that you could find as three6t mentioned, your Rising Sign (first impression attributes), your Mercury sign (how you are in speech), Venus (how you are in love), Mars (how you are when angry) and Moon sign (what you feel on a deeper level) which are the more significant planets to know which signs were aligned under them at birth. Yes your time of birth is important for accuracy, but it can still be found by approximation without that info. You also need the country and city of birth. I will try to get the name of the book for you later...or at least another one that is similar.
For a quick, free profile you can go to [www.astrocenter.com] It includes the Rising sign and numerology and chinese zodiac sign.
Linda Goodman's first book is SUN SIGNS, where she goes more extensively into the characteristics of the twelve signs. The LOVE SIGNS book goes into this as well, yet it includes more of an interpretation and study of the complexities of the relationships between the signs. Hope you like it wayshouse!
Here's just a little something from the beginning of the book.....
"By learning to use the wisdom of the planets, our co-creators' code to Universal Truth, we may each create a fragment of the rainbow-spectrum message of Peace on Earth to men...and women...of Good Will, caroled by celestials above Bethlehem [over] two thousand years ago to usher in the Pisces Age of the gentle Nazerene, who asked us only to "love one another," promising that what he did, we could "then do also."
I did a research project once where I found out that Jesus was born in March, either on the 14th or the 16th, which makes him Pisces. This is according to the ancient scholars at the time who said that the star which led the wise men would have been apparent during that time of year, and after the mathematical calculations were done, they could narrow down the date (from what I recall it is the 16th.) In this western viewpoint Jesus is a Capricorn (Dec 25th), which is fine anyway 'cause I love Capricorn people.
ha ha
When Linda Goodman wrote the above, it was circa, 1978 and now that we are here in 2004 (with all that has transpired since then,) my belief is that this applies today...we have arrived at the Aquarian Age or we are very near.... here is what she says....
"It is not too late [because] the angelic hosts (not yet identified) still rings its clarion call today...now ushering in the Aquarian Age...heralding hope to those who watch the skies and listen for the music. There could be no greater prelude to a miracle so needed, than to employ the art of ancient wise men to pave the way for his (Jesus) return with a new Star Quest for love...love of man for woman...and of both together then for every living planet and creature. For love alone has the power to bring peace at history's twilight hour to Earthlings of good will."
Admitedly Linda Goodman informs us at the beginning of her book, that it contains a number of controversial concepts of a moral, philosophical and intellectual nature in the areas of science and religion. She says too that she does not expect any of her readers to regard her concepts as their truth, unless these concepts should happen to agree with their own personal enlightenment and private convictions.
So wayshouse, guess I went beyond what you asked huh?
sorry, I'm just so interested in it all....
Later xo
Hi three6t, do you mind saying what your sign is? if you want to...
later xo
later xo
pi, speak some more on the sign of pisces.
i was born feb22
dark,
Speak King 2012
.defy the beast.RELEASE*
i was born feb22
dark,
Speak King 2012
.defy the beast.RELEASE*
sure! i'm a virgo, sept. 1 1978. but don't feel like one. a psychic told me once i was a pisces my last four lifetimes. and that's what i feel like! under every planet! when i read the whatever in pisces descriptions i'm like that's me!!! when i read what i have in the planet i'm like well maybe those two little points feel like me. rising sign scorpio/sagittarius (not sure how many degrees of each, i think about half and half);
moon in leo, venus in libra, mercury in {i cant remember!! leo i think??} mars in libra, saturn dont recall, jupiter in cancer, neptune dont recall, pluto in libra. north node virgo so i think i'm supposed to work on/with/thru the pisces wishywashyness i've acquired over the past few lives. i'm doin it but...i'm watery man!! still feeling the essence, love water signs, etc. mars and venus in the 12th house!! with virgo and pisces influences!!! THIS IS DIFFICULT...mars is also the action of love, venus more the feeling and often your sign there is the one you're attracted to (i cant say i;m attracted to libras tho)...so for this incarnation i chose to put mars, venus and myself into the classic "noone will ever love me" mentality signs...check what Linda says on this, it's sad!!
but the airy libra helps out there.woah! train of thought, but a good one. Oh yes, and what I respect most about Linda Goodman: astrology is a tool, to use as you wish. Also the idea that our incarnation into this time, these signs is to further our evolution, which is best done by overstanding and overcoming these traits we brought ourselves here with.
moon in leo, venus in libra, mercury in {i cant remember!! leo i think??} mars in libra, saturn dont recall, jupiter in cancer, neptune dont recall, pluto in libra. north node virgo so i think i'm supposed to work on/with/thru the pisces wishywashyness i've acquired over the past few lives. i'm doin it but...i'm watery man!! still feeling the essence, love water signs, etc. mars and venus in the 12th house!! with virgo and pisces influences!!! THIS IS DIFFICULT...mars is also the action of love, venus more the feeling and often your sign there is the one you're attracted to (i cant say i;m attracted to libras tho)...so for this incarnation i chose to put mars, venus and myself into the classic "noone will ever love me" mentality signs...check what Linda says on this, it's sad!!
but the airy libra helps out there.woah! train of thought, but a good one. Oh yes, and what I respect most about Linda Goodman: astrology is a tool, to use as you wish. Also the idea that our incarnation into this time, these signs is to further our evolution, which is best done by overstanding and overcoming these traits we brought ourselves here with.
Hi SpeakKing, wow to think that you are now being civil and decent to me....I remember how abrasive you were when I had written before asking K to get in touch with me....your responses did hurt you know....I mean, you were certainly not kind or empathetic....(may I get an apology please?)
Anyway, I must say that life can throw some serious irony every now and then. Would you believe that MY birthday is also on Feb 22!!! What a thing eh? To think the person who may possibly be most like me, was so harsh to me before....hmmmm
So let's get into Pisces.... much of this is from Linda Goodman's LOVE SIGNS (I think you'd enjoy reading it).... she explains it in such a unique way, her nuances are exquisite and very enlightening....
*Pisces is a WATER sign - meaning that water rules the realm of EMOTIONS. The other two water signs are SCORPIO & CANCER. These signs approach life in a SENSITIVE way, with their feelings, keen awareness and perception. This also means that these 3 feel most at home and comfortable with each other. The faculty of SENSITIVITY is dominant in water signs, as well as their ability to be PSYCHIC. Pisces is also MUTABLE -adaptable. One specific attribute of PISCES is that of COMMUNICATOR....so, the main task that a PISCES sets out to do is..."to COMMUNICATE in a sensitive, secretive, reflective and strategic manner."
Each sign has a ruling PLANET - for Pisces it is NEPTUNE (ruler of the Sea). Each sign contains strengths that can be reversed into weaknesses, through the law of positive/negative polarity.... for Pisces, just some of these traits are: (POSITIVES) Humility, Compassion, Spiritual Awareness, Psychic Comprehension, Philosophic Insight and a Healing Potential. Expressed in their (NEGATIVE) form: Timidity, Apprehension, Masochism, Idleness, Lying and Weakness of Will.
Every sign has a glyph (symbol). Pisces looks like )( with a line across this, which I am unable to transfer here for you from Photoshop....forget about the glyphs for the other signs - the keyboard certainly does not provide them (lol)- can only draw them of course. If you wish to though, look them up on google or askjeeves. Their designs are quite interesting, yet the pisces glyph is simple. They are here in Linda's book too.
I guess you've seen the NATURE representaions of the signs....for Pisces it is the (2) two FISH (swimming in opposite directions) - which refers to pisceans living in two worlds, simultaneously experiencing both Heaven and Hell.... aawww man!
Pisces is usually known as an "old soul". I remember being refered to as this several times by family and friends, even when they hadn't known that I was Pisces. Much of why we are considered this is because on a subconscious level, Pisces has been "through it all" (having been symbolically "born" into the innocence of Aries, passing through life cycles of all the other signs, then "dies" -or leaves the painful Earth plane- to enter into the mystical awareness of Pisces) and so tend to have a natural compassion and capacity for empathy for people and their troubles. Pisces understands the weakness of human nature, showing pity rather than condemnation on human's failings....often people are drawn to us to confide their secrets and fears.
Pisces' goal, especially being the final sign, 12th on the zodiac (karmic wheel of life) is reaching a "death initiation" (death of the human Ego). This way, the soul grows more forgiving, more gentle and better able to understand its true relationship to the co-Creators....
*Sign-Pisces, *Phase-submission, *Affirms -"I Believe" *Mission-to TEACH that love is compassion and LEARN that love is ALL....ETERNAL.
There is sooooo much more in this book, LOVE SIGNS and it goes into what the signs are like paired up with each other, from the 1st, Aries thru to the last, Pisces. It's very good reading SpeakKing, and I hope that what I put here at least satisfies some of your curiosity!
The other three signs that blend easily with water signs are EARTH signs....these are CAPRICORN, TAURUS & VIRGO. Earth rules the realm of MATTER. These signs approach life in a MATERIAL way, where physical comfort and needs are important to gain. These 3 feel most at home and comfortable with each other. The faculty of SENSIBILITY is dominant in Earth signs being down-to-earth, stable and grounded people.
The FIRE signs are ARIES, LEO & SAGITTARIUS. Fire rules the realm of ACTION. These signs approach life in an INSPIRATIONAL way, and stimulate/motivate people into action. These 3 feel most at home and comfortable with each other. The faculty of MOVEMENT is dominant in Fire signs being energetic, athletic, physically expressive people.
The other three signs that blend easily with fire signs are AIR signs....these are LIBRA, AQUARIUS & GEMINI. Air rules the realm of THOUGHT. These signs approach life in a MENTAL way, through analysis, ideas and thinking. These 3 feel most at home and comfortable with each other. The faculty of the MIND is dominant in Air signs being somewhat detached by nature and moved by reason rather than by feelings.
Keep in mind that we are all made up of our entire chart/astrological profile, so that with the Rising sign, Sun sign, Mercury, Venus, Mars and Moon, we exhibit and experience traits of the various signs that align under these planets. The other planets...Saturn, Uranus etc matter to a lesser degree, and the ones above play stronger roles....of course no stronger than our Sun sign.
Later xo
{Pisces}
Anyway, I must say that life can throw some serious irony every now and then. Would you believe that MY birthday is also on Feb 22!!! What a thing eh? To think the person who may possibly be most like me, was so harsh to me before....hmmmm
So let's get into Pisces.... much of this is from Linda Goodman's LOVE SIGNS (I think you'd enjoy reading it).... she explains it in such a unique way, her nuances are exquisite and very enlightening....
*Pisces is a WATER sign - meaning that water rules the realm of EMOTIONS. The other two water signs are SCORPIO & CANCER. These signs approach life in a SENSITIVE way, with their feelings, keen awareness and perception. This also means that these 3 feel most at home and comfortable with each other. The faculty of SENSITIVITY is dominant in water signs, as well as their ability to be PSYCHIC. Pisces is also MUTABLE -adaptable. One specific attribute of PISCES is that of COMMUNICATOR....so, the main task that a PISCES sets out to do is..."to COMMUNICATE in a sensitive, secretive, reflective and strategic manner."
Each sign has a ruling PLANET - for Pisces it is NEPTUNE (ruler of the Sea). Each sign contains strengths that can be reversed into weaknesses, through the law of positive/negative polarity.... for Pisces, just some of these traits are: (POSITIVES) Humility, Compassion, Spiritual Awareness, Psychic Comprehension, Philosophic Insight and a Healing Potential. Expressed in their (NEGATIVE) form: Timidity, Apprehension, Masochism, Idleness, Lying and Weakness of Will.
Every sign has a glyph (symbol). Pisces looks like )( with a line across this, which I am unable to transfer here for you from Photoshop....forget about the glyphs for the other signs - the keyboard certainly does not provide them (lol)- can only draw them of course. If you wish to though, look them up on google or askjeeves. Their designs are quite interesting, yet the pisces glyph is simple. They are here in Linda's book too.
I guess you've seen the NATURE representaions of the signs....for Pisces it is the (2) two FISH (swimming in opposite directions) - which refers to pisceans living in two worlds, simultaneously experiencing both Heaven and Hell.... aawww man!
Pisces is usually known as an "old soul". I remember being refered to as this several times by family and friends, even when they hadn't known that I was Pisces. Much of why we are considered this is because on a subconscious level, Pisces has been "through it all" (having been symbolically "born" into the innocence of Aries, passing through life cycles of all the other signs, then "dies" -or leaves the painful Earth plane- to enter into the mystical awareness of Pisces) and so tend to have a natural compassion and capacity for empathy for people and their troubles. Pisces understands the weakness of human nature, showing pity rather than condemnation on human's failings....often people are drawn to us to confide their secrets and fears.
Pisces' goal, especially being the final sign, 12th on the zodiac (karmic wheel of life) is reaching a "death initiation" (death of the human Ego). This way, the soul grows more forgiving, more gentle and better able to understand its true relationship to the co-Creators....
*Sign-Pisces, *Phase-submission, *Affirms -"I Believe" *Mission-to TEACH that love is compassion and LEARN that love is ALL....ETERNAL.
There is sooooo much more in this book, LOVE SIGNS and it goes into what the signs are like paired up with each other, from the 1st, Aries thru to the last, Pisces. It's very good reading SpeakKing, and I hope that what I put here at least satisfies some of your curiosity!
The other three signs that blend easily with water signs are EARTH signs....these are CAPRICORN, TAURUS & VIRGO. Earth rules the realm of MATTER. These signs approach life in a MATERIAL way, where physical comfort and needs are important to gain. These 3 feel most at home and comfortable with each other. The faculty of SENSIBILITY is dominant in Earth signs being down-to-earth, stable and grounded people.
The FIRE signs are ARIES, LEO & SAGITTARIUS. Fire rules the realm of ACTION. These signs approach life in an INSPIRATIONAL way, and stimulate/motivate people into action. These 3 feel most at home and comfortable with each other. The faculty of MOVEMENT is dominant in Fire signs being energetic, athletic, physically expressive people.
The other three signs that blend easily with fire signs are AIR signs....these are LIBRA, AQUARIUS & GEMINI. Air rules the realm of THOUGHT. These signs approach life in a MENTAL way, through analysis, ideas and thinking. These 3 feel most at home and comfortable with each other. The faculty of the MIND is dominant in Air signs being somewhat detached by nature and moved by reason rather than by feelings.
Keep in mind that we are all made up of our entire chart/astrological profile, so that with the Rising sign, Sun sign, Mercury, Venus, Mars and Moon, we exhibit and experience traits of the various signs that align under these planets. The other planets...Saturn, Uranus etc matter to a lesser degree, and the ones above play stronger roles....of course no stronger than our Sun sign.
Later xo
{Pisces}
Hey three6t, a Virgo....very cool. I totally get what you're saying about not feeling Virgo, but more Pisces. I too feel at times, that I am more Aquarius (my Rising sign). I also feel Cancerian (nurturing, protective) especially around animals/pets and children. When I'm angry, I surely do behave like Taurus (my sign under Mars)- the stubborn, head butting defiance comes out in me. However, it is said in astrology that the 4 signs never to mess with while they are angry (gotta wait till they cool down and regain rational) are: Pisces, Gemini, Sagittarius and Virgo. I want to investigate this more myself as to why exactly these 4 stand out in this way.
Maybe this book will help you with understanding why you feel more like a Piscean. It's called, SEX SIGNS by Judith Bennett. Her whole approach is that of psycho-astrology. She attempts to clarify that we are not pre-determined or pre-destined according to Astrology and sets out to incorporate Psychology. She suggests that Sun signs are too simplistic and general to provide important information or real insight, saying too that sun signs offer no way out of the rut of a supposedly permanent character. (I believe this can be compared then with Linda Goodman saying that each sign "symbolically" passes through all 12 initiations, so three6t maybe you have arrived at Pisces...) However I don't believe she means any of this toward Linda Goodman's work in Astrology being that Goodman is faaaaaarrrr from general or simplistic. Bennett may be referring more to the pseudo-astrologers who do it all for mere entertainment and scams. My opinion, 'cause Goodman is simply above board with this art/science.
Judith Bennett provides a checklist of traits before each sign and suggests that regardless of your sun sign, that you should first read for the sign where you are able to check all or most traits for that particular sign. You may also feel connected to more than one sign as describing you, so Judith offers the explanation that you may have felt more like 1 sign, five years ago and like another today, or even our changes identifying with a sign occurs more often due to phases....
Anyway, I still tend to agree with Judith because we are all such complex and diverse people and obviously we are all expressive in the various approaches to life from Inspirational, Sensitve, Mental and Material ways. However, as a WATER sign Pisces, I feel I lean more strongly in the Sensitive approach and all that entails.... really it is all a Balance....
You know too three6t, you can only have one sign under a planet, even as a Rising sign, and I see you wrote both Scorpio and Sagittarius.... curious about that.
I like what you added about Mars-the action of love, and Venus-the feeling of love, and that our sign under Venus is the sign we are attracted to - hell yeah, 'cause I'm Capricorn there, and Denzel Washington has always been a mighty fine specimen for me - heck everyone likes him I guess, but Cappy's are a strong pull for me So where did you read about Mars and Venus for that info above? And the "none will ever love me" mentality signs - explain that please or where does Linda say this so I can read it? Ok...
Later xo
pisces
Maybe this book will help you with understanding why you feel more like a Piscean.
It's called, SEX SIGNS by Judith Bennett. Her whole approach is that of psycho-astrology. She attempts to clarify that we are not pre-determined or pre-destined according to Astrology and sets out to incorporate Psychology. She suggests that Sun signs are too simplistic and general to provide important information or real insight, saying too that sun signs offer no way out of the rut of a supposedly permanent character. (I believe this can be compared then with Linda Goodman saying that each sign "symbolically" passes through all 12 initiations, so three6t maybe you have arrived at Pisces...) However I don't believe she means any of this toward Linda Goodman's work in Astrology being that Goodman is faaaaaarrrr from general or simplistic. Bennett may be referring more to the pseudo-astrologers who do it all for mere entertainment and scams. My opinion, 'cause Goodman is simply above board with this art/science.
Judith Bennett provides a checklist of traits before each sign and suggests that regardless of your sun sign, that you should first read for the sign where you are able to check all or most traits for that particular sign. You may also feel connected to more than one sign as describing you, so Judith offers the explanation that you may have felt more like 1 sign, five years ago and like another today, or even our changes identifying with a sign occurs more often due to phases....
Anyway, I still tend to agree with Judith because we are all such complex and diverse people and obviously we are all expressive in the various approaches to life from Inspirational, Sensitve, Mental and Material ways. However, as a WATER sign Pisces, I feel I lean more strongly in the Sensitive approach and all that entails.... really it is all a Balance....
You know too three6t, you can only have one sign under a planet, even as a Rising sign, and I see you wrote both Scorpio and Sagittarius.... curious about that.
I like what you added about Mars-the action of love, and Venus-the feeling of love, and that our sign under Venus is the sign we are attracted to - hell yeah, 'cause I'm Capricorn there, and Denzel Washington has always been a mighty fine specimen for me - heck everyone likes him I guess, but Cappy's are a strong pull for me
So where did you read about Mars and Venus for that info above? And the "none will ever love me" mentality signs - explain that please or where does Linda say this so I can read it? Ok...
Later xo
pisces
hey yall, ivelearned alot just reading these posts, thanks. I wanted to let yall know to check out the site www.12house.com its a divination shop here in Denver that has been around for years, they're really on top of their sh*t and the site is extensive, with dailies for many different tyoes of 'scopes. I also wonderin id one of ya would give me about about my sign, Dec 17, 1982. I know im a sag, but i dont know the impication thereof. thanks
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One,
thetruthisyou
"Science has failed to recognize the most,
Potent element of human existence,
Letting the reins go, to the unfolding is
Faith, faith, faith,
Spirit moves through all things.(3x)"
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One,
thetruthisyou
"Science has failed to recognize the most,
Potent element of human existence,
Letting the reins go, to the unfolding is
Faith, faith, faith,
Spirit moves through all things.(3x)"
Hi thetruthisyou, glad you're enjoying this too : ) Here's something more on Sagittarius..... (read Linda Goodman's SUN SIGNS & LOVE SIGNS too - you'll get a more complete perspective, 'cause I've just been referencing portions of info from her).
*Sun Sign- Sagittarius, *Phase- Knowledge, *Affirms- "I See", *Mission- to TEACH that love is Honesty and LEARN that love is Loyalty.
The FIRE sign Sagittarius is in the 9th house on the zodiac (karmic wheel of Life).
For SAG, the ruling planet is JUPITER (ruler of Opportunity).
Through the law of positive/negative polarity, strengths can be reversed to weaknesses and vice versa. Some of SAG's (POSITIVES) are: Optimism, Candor, Cheerfulness, Logic, Honesty, Daring, Enthusiasm. Expressed in their (NEGATIVE) form: Recklessness, Emotional Confusion, Carelessness, Lack of Tact, Rudeness, Fickleness.
The SAG glyph is an arrow pointing upward with two arrowheads on it. The NATURE representation is the CENTAUR, half man (how 'bout we say human now) and half horse, also known as the ARCHER. this refers to "Sagittarius' yearning to travel, to bask under foreign suns, to see and learn of other countries, people and ideas."
SAG's have a "restless spirit, at times frolicking like a clumsy clown, with an irresponsible disregard for the future. On the other hand SAG's think seriously, on a level high above and beyond his/her peers. SAG's have become skeptical philosophers, reluctant prophets, unsure of the final answers to the riddle of life. So they probe further, with penetrating logic and embarrassing candor, to give validity to Jupiter's claim that "I See".
SAG's "seek a mate for all seasons, they are blinded by love's idealism and challenge, so become wounded by love's reality, because their anxious quest has not yet led them to search for where it really hides - within their own hearts." This statement makes me look again at your username on this board, "thetruthisyou" - not a coincidence huh Sagittariius?? : )
Well I hope this was good for you. Check out the books for more ok. Also, this site I pasted below will give a bit more on all the Ruling Planets. The link should work or you could type in {www.webindia123.com}. NOTE: MARS rules Aries... VENUS rules Taurus and Libra... MERCURY rules Gemini and Virgo... MOON rules Cancer... SUN rules Leo... PLUTO rules Scorpio... JUPITER rules Sagittarius... SATURN rules Capricorn... URANUS rules Aquarius... NEPTUNE rules Pisces.
This site still goes by the PREVIOUS findings that...Jupiter ruled Pisces (no longer) ...Saturn ruled Aquarius (no)...Mars ruled Scorpio (no)...Pluto ruled Aries (no).
Explanation for the Ruling Planets, click below:
http://www.webindia123.com/astrology/planets.htm
Later xo
pisces
oh let me add too that for SAG, the main task is to COMMUNICATE in an inspirational, aggressive, dynamic and idealistic manner....
*Sun Sign- Sagittarius, *Phase- Knowledge, *Affirms- "I See", *Mission- to TEACH that love is Honesty and LEARN that love is Loyalty.
The FIRE sign Sagittarius is in the 9th house on the zodiac (karmic wheel of Life).
For SAG, the ruling planet is JUPITER (ruler of Opportunity).
Through the law of positive/negative polarity, strengths can be reversed to weaknesses and vice versa. Some of SAG's (POSITIVES) are: Optimism, Candor, Cheerfulness, Logic, Honesty, Daring, Enthusiasm. Expressed in their (NEGATIVE) form: Recklessness, Emotional Confusion, Carelessness, Lack of Tact, Rudeness, Fickleness.
The SAG glyph is an arrow pointing upward with two arrowheads on it. The NATURE representation is the CENTAUR, half man (how 'bout we say human now) and half horse, also known as the ARCHER. this refers to "Sagittarius' yearning to travel, to bask under foreign suns, to see and learn of other countries, people and ideas."
SAG's have a "restless spirit, at times frolicking like a clumsy clown, with an irresponsible disregard for the future. On the other hand SAG's think seriously, on a level high above and beyond his/her peers. SAG's have become skeptical philosophers, reluctant prophets, unsure of the final answers to the riddle of life. So they probe further, with penetrating logic and embarrassing candor, to give validity to Jupiter's claim that "I See".
SAG's "seek a mate for all seasons, they are blinded by love's idealism and challenge, so become wounded by love's reality, because their anxious quest has not yet led them to search for where it really hides - within their own hearts." This statement makes me look again at your username on this board, "thetruthisyou" - not a coincidence huh Sagittariius?? : )
Well I hope this was good for you. Check out the books for more ok. Also, this site I pasted below will give a bit more on all the Ruling Planets. The link should work or you could type in {www.webindia123.com}. NOTE: MARS rules Aries... VENUS rules Taurus and Libra... MERCURY rules Gemini and Virgo... MOON rules Cancer... SUN rules Leo... PLUTO rules Scorpio... JUPITER rules Sagittarius... SATURN rules Capricorn... URANUS rules Aquarius... NEPTUNE rules Pisces.
This site still goes by the PREVIOUS findings that...Jupiter ruled Pisces (no longer) ...Saturn ruled Aquarius (no)...Mars ruled Scorpio (no)...Pluto ruled Aries (no).
Explanation for the Ruling Planets, click below:
http://www.webindia123.com/astrology/planets.htm
Later xo
pisces
oh let me add too that for SAG, the main task is to COMMUNICATE in an inspirational, aggressive, dynamic and idealistic manner....
pisces i am sorry for acting like a jerk. i apologize.
thank you for typing all that out for me.
i dont understand HOW astrology influences the type of person we become.
dark,
Speak King 2012
.defy the beast.RELEASE*
thank you for typing all that out for me.
i dont understand HOW astrology influences the type of person we become.
dark,
Speak King 2012
.defy the beast.RELEASE*
I don't believe in the stars guiding our destiny, but it sometimes eerie how close those horroscope predictions can be...ad I am very much like my Chinese astrological animal, teh ox
eye for an eye and the world goes blind...
Hi SpeakKing, thank you for your apology - I accept it totally.... about the typing, you're welcome and I like the subject so much it doesn't bother me.
You know what, I also do not know exactly HOW it is astrology has this effect on us. Funny I never investigated this before.... I have always felt that while not actually knowing the HOW, I couldn't deny that the characteristic traits were uncannily accurate or at least very close for the most part - whether for myself as Pisces, for other Piscean friends and family (and I know many, trust) and for friends/family of the various signs, I admit I have just BELIEVED that there IS truth to astrology. My curiosity is peaked again now to find out HOW it works, thanks to you....so I'll get back and post my findings....
This is a story I will share with all you guys about the FAITHFUL belief I have in astrology being a TRUTH and not any hocus pocus.... (not to worry SpeakKing, I am aware that you do not question its validity, just the story of origin and the specifics that explain How/Why it even affects us like it does) : )
A few years ago, maybe '98 my dad and I were talking about how we both felt about astrology and our individual signs.... then he said to me that when he was growing up on the small island of Bimini, Bahamas which was even more remote and obscure during the 50's, that he would be running wildly with his little friends, pretending to be half human - half horse. He said that during those youthful years he hadn't even a clue what astrology was, let alone that he was Sagittarius. It was only when he went away to study at University that he learned about astrology, and that when he saw that the nature symbol for SAG was a Centaur, he gasped because he had always had this kind of mythological imagination as a child that he was half human - half horse. Well, lemme tell you that I was amazed at his story, but I also had one to share with him myself.... I told him that when I was a child, also having never heard about astrology, I pretended to be a mermaid and you know as a child you fully BELIEVE in yourself, so I was truly a mermaid. I would dream about living in the sea among the coral reefs, dolphins and seaweed, which was easy too 'cause we lived in the Bahamas anyway. So when I did learn of astrology at 14 or 15 - due to a crush on a boy I told my Mom about, so it was she who gave me my first book on astrology to see how his sign would match with my own (ha ha) - I saw that I was Pisces and that my nature symbol was the 2 fish in duality - I just saw it being as close as it could get to a mermaid; certainly made me understand my longing to live in the sea. : )
That's all for now...later xo
pisces
You know what, I also do not know exactly HOW it is astrology has this effect on us. Funny I never investigated this before.... I have always felt that while not actually knowing the HOW, I couldn't deny that the characteristic traits were uncannily accurate or at least very close for the most part - whether for myself as Pisces, for other Piscean friends and family (and I know many, trust) and for friends/family of the various signs, I admit I have just BELIEVED that there IS truth to astrology. My curiosity is peaked again now to find out HOW it works, thanks to you....so I'll get back and post my findings....
This is a story I will share with all you guys about the FAITHFUL belief I have in astrology being a TRUTH and not any hocus pocus.... (not to worry SpeakKing, I am aware that you do not question its validity, just the story of origin and the specifics that explain How/Why it even affects us like it does) : )
A few years ago, maybe '98 my dad and I were talking about how we both felt about astrology and our individual signs.... then he said to me that when he was growing up on the small island of Bimini, Bahamas which was even more remote and obscure during the 50's, that he would be running wildly with his little friends, pretending to be half human - half horse. He said that during those youthful years he hadn't even a clue what astrology was, let alone that he was Sagittarius. It was only when he went away to study at University that he learned about astrology, and that when he saw that the nature symbol for SAG was a Centaur, he gasped because he had always had this kind of mythological imagination as a child that he was half human - half horse. Well, lemme tell you that I was amazed at his story, but I also had one to share with him myself.... I told him that when I was a child, also having never heard about astrology, I pretended to be a mermaid and you know as a child you fully BELIEVE in yourself, so I was truly a mermaid. I would dream about living in the sea among the coral reefs, dolphins and seaweed, which was easy too 'cause we lived in the Bahamas anyway. So when I did learn of astrology at 14 or 15 - due to a crush on a boy I told my Mom about, so it was she who gave me my first book on astrology to see how his sign would match with my own (ha ha) - I saw that I was Pisces and that my nature symbol was the 2 fish in duality - I just saw it being as close as it could get to a mermaid; certainly made me understand my longing to live in the sea. : )
That's all for now...later xo
pisces
Hi DjRags.... a Cappy joining us in this chat huh?! Many of the people I admire and feel strongly toward are Capricorn, except for one who is a "lost cause" - mi really caan badda wid him mi dear.
I agree with you about the stars NOT guiding our destiny, 'cause really WE do.... It should always be seen as "advice" when it comes to the whole destiny thing, because once CHOICE takes place, we are paving the journey down path____ or ____. When you think about it if we make the choices that may correspond with the destiny that the entertainment astrologers set for us, then we could begin to believe it was all "in the stars". Then even so, fortunately and unfortunately all people have the gift of choice, so that when someone chooses with a negative intention ahead of that choice, it will have a consequence which can end up affecting yet another person's choice(s) and destiny....
Yeah, on occasion the horoscopes can really prove to be "close". I rarely read them though and whenever I do, they come off so broad and all encompassing, which I suppose is inevitable because there are so many individuals to pertain to under each sign. There is a difference with astrology providing the characteristic traits however, which is clear if you see it like this.... the traits to describe a Human Being pertain to ALL human beings regardless of race, gender or nationality.... well similarly when a Capricorn is described for example, those specifics describe ALL people who are Capricorn, regardless of race, gender or nationality etc. But a horoscope (forecast) can only hope to address a few at a time due to the varied lives we lead from each other, so in general for me I'm never hung up on it - it's kinda unimportant to me, but for many it serves a lot of interest which is great if they never get stir crazy about it and depend on it, you know....
You feel too that you identify with the OX in Chinese astrology. Mine is the TIGER, and for the longest I felt more like the RABBIT, but through the years, growing into myself more I see that I am the independent, courageous, strong, yet quiet presence of the Tiger.
So do you feel like a Capricorn as well?
I agree with you about the stars NOT guiding our destiny, 'cause really WE do.... It should always be seen as "advice" when it comes to the whole destiny thing, because once CHOICE takes place, we are paving the journey down path____ or ____. When you think about it if we make the choices that may correspond with the destiny that the entertainment astrologers set for us, then we could begin to believe it was all "in the stars". Then even so, fortunately and unfortunately all people have the gift of choice, so that when someone chooses with a negative intention ahead of that choice, it will have a consequence which can end up affecting yet another person's choice(s) and destiny....
Yeah, on occasion the horoscopes can really prove to be "close". I rarely read them though and whenever I do, they come off so broad and all encompassing, which I suppose is inevitable because there are so many individuals to pertain to under each sign. There is a difference with astrology providing the characteristic traits however, which is clear if you see it like this.... the traits to describe a Human Being pertain to ALL human beings regardless of race, gender or nationality.... well similarly when a Capricorn is described for example, those specifics describe ALL people who are Capricorn, regardless of race, gender or nationality etc. But a horoscope (forecast) can only hope to address a few at a time due to the varied lives we lead from each other, so in general for me I'm never hung up on it - it's kinda unimportant to me, but for many it serves a lot of interest which is great if they never get stir crazy about it and depend on it, you know....
You feel too that you identify with the OX in Chinese astrology. Mine is the TIGER, and for the longest I felt more like the RABBIT, but through the years, growing into myself more I see that I am the independent, courageous, strong, yet quiet presence of the Tiger.
So do you feel like a Capricorn as well?
Pisces wrote: So do you feel like a Capricorn as well?
Yup...stubborn and hardheaded. Seriously though, I do identify with my symbol...
eye for an eye and the world goes blind...
Yup...stubborn and hardheaded. Seriously though, I do identify with my symbol...
eye for an eye and the world goes blind...
One's rising sign is the sign that was on the horizon @ birth, so scorpio wasnt quite on the horizon and neither was sag when i was born. the other thing tho is that different sources say different things...i take this (from astro.com) cuz i have some classic sagittarian urges like for travel and especially for spontaneity.
i cant always remember where i read...it was my best friend that introduced me to astrology and she actually does most of the reading. we talk a lot about it and full credit is to her for amalgamating the fine points. altho i'm interested, i ususally dont have the patience to read about it.
that mentality...i thought it was in love signs but since it doesnt sound familiar to you it musta been RELATIONSHIP SIGNS that i saw it in. also a fabulous book. it compares charts of two parties in a relationship. not exactly by which sign in each house but by planets in houses, it compares two birth charts.
i cant always remember where i read...it was my best friend that introduced me to astrology and she actually does most of the reading. we talk a lot about it and full credit is to her for amalgamating the fine points. altho i'm interested, i ususally dont have the patience to read about it.
that mentality...i thought it was in love signs but since it doesnt sound familiar to you it musta been RELATIONSHIP SIGNS that i saw it in. also a fabulous book. it compares charts of two parties in a relationship. not exactly by which sign in each house but by planets in houses, it compares two birth charts.
Thanks Pisces, thats rather insightful, there are some things that I cannot sya whether they apply or not, other that dont, and a few that really hit home. Ya know, the belief in coincidence is the premier superstitiion of science, and the name really does apply there, cuz I was trying to quote a rapper(Busdriver) with that one, but I hadn't heard that cd in about 6 mos. so I got it wrong, the real quote is "the WORD OF THE DAY is, you" but once i knew I got it wrong I decided i like thetruth better.
Also, I have an educated guess on why astrology works, I think its cuz of the energies that come offa each planet/anyhting or are blocked by a planet/anything.
BTW Did any of yall catch the eclipse the other morning, I wanted to but missed it, I know those were interesting energies coming in.
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One,
thetruthisyou
"Science has failed to recognize the most,
Potent element of human existence,
Letting the reins go, to the unfolding is
Faith, faith, faith,
Spirit moves through all things.(3x)"
Also, I have an educated guess on why astrology works, I think its cuz of the energies that come offa each planet/anyhting or are blocked by a planet/anything.
BTW Did any of yall catch the eclipse the other morning, I wanted to but missed it, I know those were interesting energies coming in.
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One,
thetruthisyou
"Science has failed to recognize the most,
Potent element of human existence,
Letting the reins go, to the unfolding is
Faith, faith, faith,
Spirit moves through all things.(3x)"
have read the effect of astrology is the gravitational pull of the celestial bodies therefore closer ones have more effect therefore considered more important: moon, mars, venus, mercury. also, moon influences all water: tides as well as human body is 85% water (just wrote in a paper, from Star Signs). Moon rules e-motive force: emotions
yeah so true.... i read the same thing before and mentioned it in one of these posts about the closer planets having a greater effect in our whole chart profile. As for the Moon, yeah that's just how it is as you say....
I have some info to post here on HOW astrology affects us - quite interesting and I'm finishing up a summary for you guys. It's coming up in a few minutes...and a little history on its Origin...I learned a whole lot myself!
I have some info to post here on HOW astrology affects us - quite interesting and I'm finishing up a summary for you guys. It's coming up in a few minutes...and a little history on its Origin...I learned a whole lot myself!
hey all:)
i myself have always been somewhat interested in astrology-- i never had my individual chart done, but i believe that the ind. chart is the most credible one, just because it pertains to the actual birthdate and place... anyhow, my own personal belief on this whole thing is that before we are actually even conceived, the soul chooses the type of life we will live in the upcoming lifetime... and so, the soul chooses when and where we will be ''reborn''... so, while the universe and the power/energy of its planets and stars surely have a great impact on our little ol' lives, we have also chosen the time and place of our birth--- thus, the birth chart can somewhat serve as a reminder of what we came here to do... because the stars and the alignment of the planets, etc, at the time of our birth, reflect the opportunities that we wanted for ourselves in this lifetime... i could be wrong, but just thought i'd share
peace
i myself have always been somewhat interested in astrology-- i never had my individual chart done, but i believe that the ind. chart is the most credible one, just because it pertains to the actual birthdate and place... anyhow, my own personal belief on this whole thing is that before we are actually even conceived, the soul chooses the type of life we will live in the upcoming lifetime... and so, the soul chooses when and where we will be ''reborn''... so, while the universe and the power/energy of its planets and stars surely have a great impact on our little ol' lives, we have also chosen the time and place of our birth--- thus, the birth chart can somewhat serve as a reminder of what we came here to do... because the stars and the alignment of the planets, etc, at the time of our birth, reflect the opportunities that we wanted for ourselves in this lifetime... i could be wrong, but just thought i'd share
peace
i agree with You jmpm
hi jmpm...You know i used to agree with this when i was a child and young teen, but now I wonder about this idea...especially because if our souls are in fact choosing the next lifetime it would mean that the soul has seen what will unfold beforehand.... here is where I am stuck...does the soul then forget it all once conception has taken place, and goes through life as if from a "clean slate" standpoint? i ask because when you think of all the heartache and pain even just one individual life has to face sometimes....man it makes me wonder if that soul is indeed 'sane' to choose such a horror in some cases... hence the suggestion that the soul must "forget" in order to make the choice when and where to be reborn.
i am especially posting to this as i feel what a coincidence that i just watched Oprah today and the show was about mothers who lost their children in horrible ways... one of the stories was of a mother who stopped to buy her little son a yogurt/ice-cream, but left the son in the back seat, thinking she would just pop in and out being that the car was right in front of the store....she left the keys in the ignition though too....THEN a man who had been released from prison the day before/or that day, not sure, entered the car and proceeded to drive off! The mother turned and saw, so ran out to grab her son, yelling for the man to just allow her to get her son out of the car....well the sick mutha ######er kept driving out of the parking lot, dragging the mother, who by that time had got her son through the window, but the seatbelt didn't snap open, only the belt loosened enough to allow the mom to pull her son as far as she was able to. The man stepped on the gas, and this is when the mother couldn't keep up....so that poor sweet child was dragged to his death....what a torturous death - so painful and drawn out....s h i t man!!!!! Makes me wonder about this idea of choosing our lives...maybe, maybe not, who knows? If so, would that mother's soul choose a life where her child would later have to suffer like that? Would even the soul of that criminal beast (who would not have been a beast in spirit form) choose to come to this plane (earth/life as we know it) to carry out such a horrific act? If so, it must be that we 'forget' everything at conception.... I know though, that if that mother was ME, i would have run after that car till i caught up with it somehow, even if it nearly took the life out of me, at least i would have drawn my last breath AFTER i ripped that mans head off his neck with my bare hands and teeth. I would hope that if i had to choose that life, that there would be at least that incentive that i could kill him... to give me a reason to choose that life.... (yeah i know it doesn't work like that - i know that we are here to learn and to teach and not to justify revenge) but for now having just watched this show, if i was in that mom's shoes - in the moment watching my son have his brains dashed out in a dragging death, it would put me senseless and nothing called "the right thing" would matter anymore!
i am especially posting to this as i feel what a coincidence that i just watched Oprah today and the show was about mothers who lost their children in horrible ways... one of the stories was of a mother who stopped to buy her little son a yogurt/ice-cream, but left the son in the back seat, thinking she would just pop in and out being that the car was right in front of the store....she left the keys in the ignition though too....THEN a man who had been released from prison the day before/or that day, not sure, entered the car and proceeded to drive off! The mother turned and saw, so ran out to grab her son, yelling for the man to just allow her to get her son out of the car....well the sick mutha ######er kept driving out of the parking lot, dragging the mother, who by that time had got her son through the window, but the seatbelt didn't snap open, only the belt loosened enough to allow the mom to pull her son as far as she was able to. The man stepped on the gas, and this is when the mother couldn't keep up....so that poor sweet child was dragged to his death....what a torturous death - so painful and drawn out....s h i t man!!!!! Makes me wonder about this idea of choosing our lives...maybe, maybe not, who knows? If so, would that mother's soul choose a life where her child would later have to suffer like that? Would even the soul of that criminal beast (who would not have been a beast in spirit form) choose to come to this plane (earth/life as we know it) to carry out such a horrific act? If so, it must be that we 'forget' everything at conception.... I know though, that if that mother was ME, i would have run after that car till i caught up with it somehow, even if it nearly took the life out of me, at least i would have drawn my last breath AFTER i ripped that mans head off his neck with my bare hands and teeth. I would hope that if i had to choose that life, that there would be at least that incentive that i could kill him... to give me a reason to choose that life.... (yeah i know it doesn't work like that - i know that we are here to learn and to teach and not to justify revenge) but for now having just watched this show, if i was in that mom's shoes - in the moment watching my son have his brains dashed out in a dragging death, it would put me senseless and nothing called "the right thing" would matter anymore!
HOW ASTROLOGY AFFECTS US.... (speakKing, I copied/pasted chunks of info that more closely addressed your question, ok and I add mostly extra definitions) sorry that it is so long
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The Four Directions as the Foundation of Western Astrology
By Bruce Scofield
*This article appears in the Fall 1999 issue of Geocosmic Magazine, a publication of the National Council for Geocosmic Research (NCGR). Information on this issue (the theme of which is geomantic astrology) and on NCGR is found on www.geocosmic.org.
Summary: Astrology originated when humans became attuned to the repeating astronomical patterns of the annual cycle. The yearly cycle of sunrises and sunsets against the horizon offered humanity the opportunity to make the seasonal predictions necessary for successful agriculture. The naming of the critical stations [positions/frequencies] of the year, the equinoxes [when sun crosses equator, making night & day of equal length in all parts of earth] and solstices [sun standstill] and the analogy with the diurnal [daily] cycle, constitutes a first order of astrology. On a global level, the symbolism of the four directions, the first astrology, has served as a foundation for more elaborate intellectual systems. This shared symbolism is the foundation of the world's astrological and divinatory systems.
Astrology's biological basis and social basis may be similar. As life evolved on this planet it utilized astronomical rhythms to regulate bodily functions. Eventually, these rhythms were internalized. To use the terms of astrobiologists, exogenous cycles that required an external agent, became endogenous or internalized cycles. The same thing seems to have occurred as early humans struggled to make sense out of the surrounding world and ultimately create culture and civilization. The external facts of repeating astronomical cycles offer various kinds of security, ones that can serve as frameworks around which human culture and social systems can be built.
Calendars, based on astronomy, organized early humanity in matters of TIME. Maps and directions organized them with SPACE. Both incorporate the rhythms of the sky. Symbolic thinking, which preceded rational thought as a means of communicating or transmitting information over great expanses of time, explained these connections between man and nature. Astrology is a kind of conscious internalization or learning from the external environment that has become the foundation of much of who we are, both as individuals and as a society.
The zodiac used by most Western astrologers today (the tropical zodiac), has become a symbol of astrology itself. It is, in essence, a symbolic sequence of stages in the year that is framed by the four directions. Each quarter of the year, the time between each of the four main stations of the annual cycle, is trisected to produce three signs. In this scheme, Aries is the sign of the east and springtime. Its opposite, Libra, is the sign of the west and autumn. The first degree of these signs marks the vernal [spring] and autumnal [autumn] equinoxes. The summer solstice begins the sign Cancer, which is a sign of summer, and is also a sign of the south. Capricorn, then, is the sign of winter and of the north.
Aries, Cancer, Libra, and Capricorn are, therefore, the KEY signs of the directions, and quite possibly the source of the scheme of the elements. Aries is the sign of spring, and therefore by analogy, the sign of sunrise. It is the sign of emergence and the birth of the sungod. It is a fire sign, and some would say, the source of the other two fire signs. From Aries, rays extending in equal arcs of 120 degrees will designate the beginnings of the other two fire signs, Leo and Sagittarius. Fire, according to this logic, is the element of the East.
Libra is the sign of autumn, the sign of sunset, and the direction West. It is an air sign, suggesting that it is the primary sign of the element air. The same approach can be taken for Cancer and Capricorn. These two signs might be looked on as origin points for the other elements, water and earth. Taking this directional foundation for quaternary [spring, summer, autumn, winter] symbolism further, links can also be made with the four humors [former belief in four body fluids held responsible for one's disposition] or temperaments. The temperaments were a conceptual framework for ancient healers, an ancient psychological typology, and in modern times, the foundation of Jung's four functions. The choleric temperament is hot, easily aroused. This sounds like fire. The melancholic temperament is sad and depressed. Perhaps this is earth. The sanguine temperament is confident and optimistic. This may be air. The phlegmatic temperament is slow and impassive. This may be water. While the connections are somewhat blurred, it is possible that these foundational concepts (not to mention the four archangels, the four evangelists, and four tarot card suits) all derive from the four directions and their midpoints, and ultimately from the astronomical motions of the Sun.(5) Astrology lies deep within the fabric of culture.
East: Spring and sunrise the birth of life and the emergence of self.
Mesoamerican: Yearbearer of the east: power, creation, life, emergence. Chinese: Trigram Chen: thunder, arousing activity, excitement, growth and expansion. Greco/Mesopotamian: Sign Aries: initiating, forceful, headstrong, pioneering. The sign of spring. Nordic: Rune Beorc, Birkana: new beginnings, the point at which the play of life begins in earnest, spring equinox. [Taurus & Gemini also]
West: Autumn and sunset the descent into the [not]self.
Mesoamerican: Yearbearer of the west: social reality, family, group, social cooperation. Chinese: Trigram Tui: the lake, satisfaction, fullness and openness. calmness, dispersed energy. autumn, twilight, the decline of life. Greco/Mesopotamian: Sign Libra: balance, harmony, cooperation, peace. The sign of autumn. Nordic: Rune Ken: indoors, illumination, regeneration through death, seeing through the dark, the starting of the hearth fire, the autumn equinox. [Scorpio & Sagittarius also]
North: Winter and midnight the struggle of life.
Mesoamerican: Yearbearer of the north: secrecy, darkness, isolation, fear, hidden knowledge. Chinese: Trigram Kan: danger, anxiety, depth, mystery. Greco/Mesopotamian: Sign Capricorn: formality, cold, difficulty, losses. The sign of winter. Nordic: Rune Jara: cyclicity, completion, orderliness, harvest, end and beginning, winter solstice. [Aquarius & Pisces]
South: Summer and noon the triumph of life.
Mesoamerican: Yearbearer of the south: affirmation of life, nature, fertility, healing. Chinese: Trigram Li: clarity, consciousness and illumination, summer and noon. Greco/Mesopotamian: Sign Cancer: food, nature, family, domestic security, birth. The sign of summer. Nordic: Rune Dag: the end of one cycle and beginning of next, the door between the rising half of the year and the declining half, the balance of the polarities, high noon, midsummer. [Leo & Virgo]
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The Four Directions as the Foundation of Western Astrology
By Bruce Scofield
*This article appears in the Fall 1999 issue of Geocosmic Magazine, a publication of the National Council for Geocosmic Research (NCGR). Information on this issue (the theme of which is geomantic astrology) and on NCGR is found on www.geocosmic.org.
Summary: Astrology originated when humans became attuned to the repeating astronomical patterns of the annual cycle. The yearly cycle of sunrises and sunsets against the horizon offered humanity the opportunity to make the seasonal predictions necessary for successful agriculture. The naming of the critical stations [positions/frequencies] of the year, the equinoxes [when sun crosses equator, making night & day of equal length in all parts of earth] and solstices [sun standstill] and the analogy with the diurnal [daily] cycle, constitutes a first order of astrology. On a global level, the symbolism of the four directions, the first astrology, has served as a foundation for more elaborate intellectual systems. This shared symbolism is the foundation of the world's astrological and divinatory systems.
Astrology's biological basis and social basis may be similar. As life evolved on this planet it utilized astronomical rhythms to regulate bodily functions. Eventually, these rhythms were internalized. To use the terms of astrobiologists, exogenous cycles that required an external agent, became endogenous or internalized cycles. The same thing seems to have occurred as early humans struggled to make sense out of the surrounding world and ultimately create culture and civilization. The external facts of repeating astronomical cycles offer various kinds of security, ones that can serve as frameworks around which human culture and social systems can be built.
Calendars, based on astronomy, organized early humanity in matters of TIME. Maps and directions organized them with SPACE. Both incorporate the rhythms of the sky. Symbolic thinking, which preceded rational thought as a means of communicating or transmitting information over great expanses of time, explained these connections between man and nature. Astrology is a kind of conscious internalization or learning from the external environment that has become the foundation of much of who we are, both as individuals and as a society.
The zodiac used by most Western astrologers today (the tropical zodiac), has become a symbol of astrology itself. It is, in essence, a symbolic sequence of stages in the year that is framed by the four directions. Each quarter of the year, the time between each of the four main stations of the annual cycle, is trisected to produce three signs. In this scheme, Aries is the sign of the east and springtime. Its opposite, Libra, is the sign of the west and autumn. The first degree of these signs marks the vernal [spring] and autumnal [autumn] equinoxes. The summer solstice begins the sign Cancer, which is a sign of summer, and is also a sign of the south. Capricorn, then, is the sign of winter and of the north.
Aries, Cancer, Libra, and Capricorn are, therefore, the KEY signs of the directions, and quite possibly the source of the scheme of the elements. Aries is the sign of spring, and therefore by analogy, the sign of sunrise. It is the sign of emergence and the birth of the sungod. It is a fire sign, and some would say, the source of the other two fire signs. From Aries, rays extending in equal arcs of 120 degrees will designate the beginnings of the other two fire signs, Leo and Sagittarius. Fire, according to this logic, is the element of the East.
Libra is the sign of autumn, the sign of sunset, and the direction West. It is an air sign, suggesting that it is the primary sign of the element air. The same approach can be taken for Cancer and Capricorn. These two signs might be looked on as origin points for the other elements, water and earth. Taking this directional foundation for quaternary [spring, summer, autumn, winter] symbolism further, links can also be made with the four humors [former belief in four body fluids held responsible for one's disposition] or temperaments. The temperaments were a conceptual framework for ancient healers, an ancient psychological typology, and in modern times, the foundation of Jung's four functions. The choleric temperament is hot, easily aroused. This sounds like fire. The melancholic temperament is sad and depressed. Perhaps this is earth. The sanguine temperament is confident and optimistic. This may be air. The phlegmatic temperament is slow and impassive. This may be water. While the connections are somewhat blurred, it is possible that these foundational concepts (not to mention the four archangels, the four evangelists, and four tarot card suits) all derive from the four directions and their midpoints, and ultimately from the astronomical motions of the Sun.(5) Astrology lies deep within the fabric of culture.
East: Spring and sunrise the birth of life and the emergence of self.
Mesoamerican: Yearbearer of the east: power, creation, life, emergence. Chinese: Trigram Chen: thunder, arousing activity, excitement, growth and expansion. Greco/Mesopotamian: Sign Aries: initiating, forceful, headstrong, pioneering. The sign of spring. Nordic: Rune Beorc, Birkana: new beginnings, the point at which the play of life begins in earnest, spring equinox. [Taurus & Gemini also]
West: Autumn and sunset the descent into the [not]self.
Mesoamerican: Yearbearer of the west: social reality, family, group, social cooperation. Chinese: Trigram Tui: the lake, satisfaction, fullness and openness. calmness, dispersed energy. autumn, twilight, the decline of life. Greco/Mesopotamian: Sign Libra: balance, harmony, cooperation, peace. The sign of autumn. Nordic: Rune Ken: indoors, illumination, regeneration through death, seeing through the dark, the starting of the hearth fire, the autumn equinox. [Scorpio & Sagittarius also]
North: Winter and midnight the struggle of life.
Mesoamerican: Yearbearer of the north: secrecy, darkness, isolation, fear, hidden knowledge. Chinese: Trigram Kan: danger, anxiety, depth, mystery. Greco/Mesopotamian: Sign Capricorn: formality, cold, difficulty, losses. The sign of winter. Nordic: Rune Jara: cyclicity, completion, orderliness, harvest, end and beginning, winter solstice. [Aquarius & Pisces]
South: Summer and noon the triumph of life.
Mesoamerican: Yearbearer of the south: affirmation of life, nature, fertility, healing. Chinese: Trigram Li: clarity, consciousness and illumination, summer and noon. Greco/Mesopotamian: Sign Cancer: food, nature, family, domestic security, birth. The sign of summer. Nordic: Rune Dag: the end of one cycle and beginning of next, the door between the rising half of the year and the declining half, the balance of the polarities, high noon, midsummer. [Leo & Virgo]
also true pisces about the pain. still not sure how i feel on this. with family pain lately it's been jubilant family experiences and i have been able to see how i chose them...other stuff like the oprah stories tho i dunno...
but i don't necessarily think choosing one's natal chart equates with knowing what will unfold beforehand; but that the chart serves to incarnate us with certain personality traits that will guide us toward the incarnation objective.
but i don't necessarily think choosing one's natal chart equates with knowing what will unfold beforehand; but that the chart serves to incarnate us with certain personality traits that will guide us toward the incarnation objective.
yeah three6t, i agree with you that we choose our individual natal chart, and that the chart serves to incarnate us with certain personality traits, to guide us toward a specific incarnation objective......that certainly is more what i agree with...and if jmpm meant this also, i may have misinterpreted him/her.... so i am clearer now on what you guys meant...thanx
hey pieces...
read your piece on sagittarians... i myself am a sagittarius. and a lot that you wrote really reflected who i am.
on a somewhat related topic, i just finished an astrology course in university... it was a course on stars.
also yeah i was going to write how k covered "god lives through" by ATCQ... i think he has also covered "running away" by tha pharcyde at his shows before.
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"Suddenly... Hip-hop's not the way it used to be,
Everybody does it for money,
Oh I believe in yesterday.”
"Our National Anthem" - k-os
read your piece on sagittarians... i myself am a sagittarius. and a lot that you wrote really reflected who i am.
on a somewhat related topic, i just finished an astrology course in university... it was a course on stars.
also yeah i was going to write how k covered "god lives through" by ATCQ... i think he has also covered "running away" by tha pharcyde at his shows before.
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"Suddenly... Hip-hop's not the way it used to be,
Everybody does it for money,
Oh I believe in yesterday.”
"Our National Anthem" - k-os
hi perennial... a sagittarius...nice, nice.
what do u mean by "covered" ? would u explain 4 me please?
later xo
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what do u mean by "covered" ? would u explain 4 me please?
later xo
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the course was on stars... the birth, life and death of them, as well as other stuff like blackholes, supernovas, nebulas.
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"Yesterday, all these whack MCs were far away, now we listen to them everyday
Oh I believe in yesterday, suddenly Hip-hop's not the way it used to be
Everybody does it for money, oh yesterday came suddenly.”
"Our National Anthem" - k-os
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"Yesterday, all these whack MCs were far away, now we listen to them everyday
Oh I believe in yesterday, suddenly Hip-hop's not the way it used to be
Everybody does it for money, oh yesterday came suddenly.”
"Our National Anthem" - k-os
no, no...sorry if i was not clear before - i was asking what do you mean by saying, that K "covered" God Lives Through by ATCQ, and that he "covered" Running Away by the Pharcyde at shows...... so I'm asking what do you mean by using the term, "covered'? Do you mean sampling? .....just curious
thnx!
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thnx!
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haha... np... miscommunication... the beauty of the internet!
by cover, i mean that k just sang a version of an artist's songs. eg. if i recorded or sang live a version of k's superstarr. pt. 2, then that would constitute as me singing a k cover.
sampling is when you take the beat from a song and either modify it a bit or when you sing/rap over it. eg. k's superstarr pt.0 sampled soho's "hot music"... basically it's k rhyming over the soho instrumental.
hope that answers your q's.
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"Yesterday, all these whack MCs were far away, now we listen to them everyday
Oh I believe in yesterday, suddenly Hip-hop's not the way it used to be
Everybody does it for money, oh yesterday came suddenly.”
"Our National Anthem" - k-os
by cover, i mean that k just sang a version of an artist's songs. eg. if i recorded or sang live a version of k's superstarr. pt. 2, then that would constitute as me singing a k cover.
sampling is when you take the beat from a song and either modify it a bit or when you sing/rap over it. eg. k's superstarr pt.0 sampled soho's "hot music"... basically it's k rhyming over the soho instrumental.
hope that answers your q's.
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"Yesterday, all these whack MCs were far away, now we listen to them everyday
Oh I believe in yesterday, suddenly Hip-hop's not the way it used to be
Everybody does it for money, oh yesterday came suddenly.”
"Our National Anthem" - k-os
gotcha man! thanx...it is crystal now (lol) - i like to be clear on things....drives me up the wall otherwise (ha, ha)
PEACE!
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PEACE!
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hi there pisces and three6t,
sorry i took a while to respond--haven't been on this site as often as i wish... anyhow, i agree that just because we choose a particular life (that is optimal in giving us the opportunities that we wanted for this time), it doesn't mean at all that we already knew what was going to happen but just forgot! what we may have forgotten is who we really are! ...i also believe that the chart does not dictate our personalities-- rather, it is a REFLECTION of what we have already chosen-- so that what it can do for us is serve us with some clues or insights into ourselves... so in a way, yes, we have chosen those certain alignments to be present at the time and place we are born, so that it may help us incarnate into the life that we have chosen for ourselves
anyone has any other ideas?? 'cause as i mentioned before, i could be totally missing the point altogether.
peace n love
sorry i took a while to respond--haven't been on this site as often as i wish... anyhow, i agree that just because we choose a particular life (that is optimal in giving us the opportunities that we wanted for this time), it doesn't mean at all that we already knew what was going to happen but just forgot! what we may have forgotten is who we really are! ...i also believe that the chart does not dictate our personalities-- rather, it is a REFLECTION of what we have already chosen-- so that what it can do for us is serve us with some clues or insights into ourselves... so in a way, yes, we have chosen those certain alignments to be present at the time and place we are born, so that it may help us incarnate into the life that we have chosen for ourselves
anyone has any other ideas?? 'cause as i mentioned before, i could be totally missing the point altogether.
peace n love
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